Heavy Rain #2

Theme by Yogosan
6780-HeavyRain

Theme based on the game Heavy Rain. 10 HD and SD backgrounds, custom icons, enjoy!!
Update: fixed missing icon, refined the edges of all wallpapers
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OPTIMUS

WHAAAT?!? Are you sure? Oh God!!! 😀

yogosan

yes i used the x-wing as a template, i could never draw it off the top of my head, i dont even like star wars. i can tell you there are about 40 layers in that icon alone

madthemez

Here’s my final on the “ratings” system.
As it is makes it impossible for us to know it’s true rating. top of page this says 153 votes , yesterday on top 50 highest this had 663 votes & today on 50 highest this has 11 votes.
Makes no sense to me at all.
Which is the REAL figures ???
NO matter as they’ll never change the system to a more accurate rating scheme.

I may look for images for themed icons instead of hand drawing them – That seems popular with some theme makers.

OPTIMUS

I know what you mean, Madthemez, but I think we should be content as it is… About the icons: just try. If appreciated, it will be a satisfaction and eventually you’ll be able to decide whether to continue to create them or not. Otherwise, you’ll continue to use standard icons. Consider that at the beginning no one is “pro”… 😛 Yes, I bought my PS3 at day one and never had problems, but every time I heard that a new update has caused problems, I prefer to wait and see if Sony fix things. Honestly, I’m a little tired of… Read more »

madthemez

No i don’t think leaving the easily abused rating system as it is is a good idea,That’s why i suggested changing it. I think – Registered users only & vote as you download. Tally up the 1st download & vote for each user. That would give the best representation of how popular a theme “actually” is.(number of views don’t show this) Seems strange you have to register to post a comment but anyone can abuse the votes freely for weeks at a time. But this is just my opinion & the system won’t change. Maybe at least re-start the highest… Read more »

OPTIMUS

Yep, I think that combine vote & download, counting only 1 vote and only 1 download for each user (no matter if registered or not) might work. But I suppose that this would mean redesigning the entire management system of the site: so, might as well leave everything as is, don’t you think?

Ok, I think it will be uploaded soon. However, at least once you could try creating yourself some icons: I assure you that it’s fun.
You could make only the home row… 😀

madthemez

Then as you said Optimus combine the 2, Votes & downloads.
How about only count 1 download & 1 vote for each “registered” user.
My other theme is “Modern Warfare 2 mt”,posted a couple of days ago so may be added soon.
but again it’s a simple theme.

OPTIMUS

A couple? Where’s the other? I only seen your AC2 theme…
However, be patient Madthemez: big results do not come immediately. Anyway, consider that 3.92 for your first theme here is not bad.
You know, speaking of ratings, I thought about the possibility of replacing them with the downloads and I came to the conclusion that probably the situation could even worsen, because I think that anyone could download the same theme several times to increase the number of downloads…

madthemez

i was intrigued by your origami icons & did a search for “Origami X Wing” & “Origami Dove” amongst others – With some interesting results.

Good job on those Yogosan.

madthemez

Easy for you guys on the leaderboard to say it doesn’t matter.
I was just trying to make sense of the rating system is all – And i failed apparently.

Scores aren’t relevant to me ,i’ve only posted a couple so far & they aren’t going to win any awards LOL.

OPTIMUS

In my opinion, all give too much importance to the vote, Madthemez: I think this is the real problem of many theme makers. It seems to me that all are competing to see who accumulates the most votes.
C’mon guys, this is a sharing site not a beauty contest…! 😀

madthemez

Fair enough but to a non expert like me it just looks suspicious.
I’ll just refrain from voting.

At least this now has a rating it desrves.
Now Yogosan finish that GOW 3 theme & lets have it. (Please)

yogosan

i never cared about ratings, ratings are over-rated

madthemez

I’m unconvinced scores still seem dodgy.
At top of page this theme has 153 votes = 4.18.
In top 50 highest rated this theme shows 663 votes = 4.21 , Yet few hours ago this had over 600 votes with a score just over 2 STAR.

Proxy votes or not these figures don’t tally.
Voting system is meaningless as the MATH doesn’t work.

madthemez

Yeah ok then.
Why not allow voting only to registered users wouldn’t that solve the Proxy problem.
I’ve not been here long but the scores & votes just don’t seem to tally if you’ve cleared scores why doesn’t it clear votes too.
This is why many theme makers stopped ,as we’ve been discussing here.

madthemez

Hey Yogosan your score has magically climbed back up REALLY QUICKLY since my last comment, maybe you won’t quit now.
They should just show downloads ,this proves the scoring here is regularly “fixed” depending on the theme maker.
So the star rating really is meaningless.

madthemez

How can any of us get your latest themes or updates in future ?
Could you post your e-mail or something or is it just for your friends.

yogosan

i doubt i’ll be starting anything new , i might finish up the stuff i started but that might be it. it does take a long time to make good icons by hand. irt does get extremely tedious. designing a new icon is the fun part. i usually enjoy creating good home row icons. then the thought of creating 60 more is just awful, and incredibly time consuming. it feels like i’m coming to the end of the learning curve. i guess it gave me some comfort knowing there were others trying to perfect their themes. the bar was set… Read more »

madthemez

So are you finished for good then ? No more Yogosan.
I see what you mean though, people don’t even bother with proper previews anymore & hardly any info is given.
There’s only Mon… “he who shall not be named” still bothering to update a few but as you say Nothing new.(although his POP was amazing)

I’ve posted a MW 2 theme but it still uses default icons i’m afraid.
even they take ages to customise.

yogosan

and i probably wouldnt even finish a gow3 rheme by march at the rate i’m going! 🙂

yogosan

coming to the realisation that from the last 3 years of theme making, all of the best theme makers who inspired me to try harder are gone completely. m0dus did get recruited by konami and said a few months ago that his new, best work is coming soon. but i’v seen/heard nothing since. if there were alot of good themers still around, i would keep going, and this comments section wouldnt be half as long on my themes!! even though its mostly myself and optimus. But its obvious that my themes always having books written after them is a sign… Read more »

yogosan

i’d hate to discourage people from making themes, but i’v been doing it for a long time, in that time i’v seen more people give up on themes than i saw people at least try, if i dint see the great themes i wouldnt have contnued. you only have to take one look to see all the new themes are recycled icons and upscaled pictures of megan fox. it only getting worse as time goes on. eventually people will just stop looking for themes altogether. in all honesty i upload more thes than i download. i can’t remember the last… Read more »

madthemez

From what i’ve read from Yogosan ,He enjoyed seeing other TOP themes & they inspired him to do better – Maybe now he feels alone so there’s nothing to inspire him anymore.

But i’d like to see the GOW 3 theme before he packs in for good, Really looking forward to that game.

OPTIMUS

What I can not really understand is what gave rise to the whole affair. I mean, knowing the enthusiasm that always distinguished Yogosan from other theme makers, this… how can I say… this sudden change in his thinking seems to me so strange…

madthemez

I think Yogosan is done with themes Optimus, He’s been discussing it with Montage Mick on another site for couple of weeks. Yogosan said to Montage Mik “i wish apt was still up and running, because (honestly) presuming your finished, if i stop, it’s all over. the high quality themes are finished,”. I think thats a bit harsh to other theme makers here Yogosan , Optimus says he makes top themes too but you say its over if you stop. Everyone makes at different levels, It’s good to be the best but people thinking they’re the best is what killed… Read more »

OPTIMUS

Welcome back Yogosan! Damn, I thought you really wanted to leave the site! Sorry for my frankness Yogosan, but (omitting the rest) from what I just read it seems to me that you’re discouraging too much. In particular I was struck by the fact that you say not to have the fun like before doing themes (and now you’re not drunk… :D). Well, this is not the Yogosan I knew time ago… so I wonder why. I don’t think this is caused only by what happened. You always told me you enjoy so much to create themes, so… what’s wrong… Read more »

madthemez

Glad you’re back Yogosan. Why will i never have chance to find out whats good or bad about my themes ??? M0dus & Montage Mik were always my favourite themers (no offence) But other than a few updates they’ve vanished. Thinking about it i don’t personally believe Montage Mik fixed any scores, he was one of the main people who advocated downloads instead of votes on APT ,he used to ask for it here too as do others. And i can’t figure why one of the best themers as you say would need to fix scores, I reckon like most… Read more »

yogosan

it takes about 10 seconds to scroll to the bottom of the page

yogosan

lol, madthemez i wasnt blaming you, i was just sayin you will never get a chance to have people tell you whats good or bad about your themes, i would prefer if people told me whats wrong with my themes, it made me make themes better, when i first started theming there were alot of great themers around, it’s not the same anymore, why anyone would care if i stop uploading themes is unknown to me, but i just thought i should at least give some notice, it just stopped being fun, and i was extremely drunk when i wrote… Read more »

OPTIMUS

You know, madthemez, I don’t think I have an answer to your questions, but I suppose there must be some kind of control by those who manage the site to ensure that things go the right way: otherwise anybody could do as he pleases, don’t you think…? In fact, for a while I noticed that something was wrong with the votes (as I already told you): themes that were “in the top of the charts” with more than good votes, suddenly disappeared giving way to other themes (even older than 1 year) with very few but so high votes. All… Read more »

madthemez

Are you a site Moderator OPTIMUS ,you seem to have amazing insight how things work on this site.

madthemez

So did the Moderators slash all Yogosan & Montage M scores or did they sabotage their own scores ? How could the moderators here know how someone votes on other sites ? I’m not actually sure i believe those M-M scores (if they banned him), surely people can vote what they like ,or if a proxy server how do they know it’s him voting ? To be honest it seems the ones M-M voted 5 stars are actually the best of their type, Tomb Raider,Force unleashed, Graffitti as examples. But if he does double vote that sucks (why would he… Read more »

OPTIMUS

Ok, madthemez, maybe I misunderstood your intent and I apologize, but as you can see from the PS3 Themes comment right above, you can realize what I meant before: Yogosan themes (like many of mine) always had high ratings, then suddenly collapse. Very strange, don’t you think? So it’s very likely this theme has 2 stars for that reason and I’m not intrested in a “banned Montage Mik”… About the icons of my themes, maybe you should check better: you’ll realize that only my first themes were made with ready to use icons because I was a beginner and still… Read more »

madthemez

By the way Optimus , i notice many of your themes (last year) use the same “ready to use” eye cons.
Maybe they aren’t SONY icons but they are pre-made ready to use.
So it’s funny you slating me for it.
Does Yogosan post anywhere else ? I Know Montage Mik does i caught conversations with him & Yogosan on another site ,Montage said all his 3.15 themes were on this site (that’s why i came here) but they aren’t.
Hope Yogosan returns here soon.
But most if not all of my themes will be default icons i’m afraid.

madthemez

Well Thanks Optimus ,I’m confused is Yogosan attacking me with everyone else or excluding me with you guys ? I was actually saying “it deserved much better rating” its the best HR theme i found. The purpose of my Assassins creed 2 theme, Was just to get a theme out there with a clearly stated 3.15 UP TO DATE icon set – So maybe “others” could start to use up to date icons. After seeing the slating Yogosan & Montage Mik got on their themes here (Y-HEAVY RAIN & MM TOMB RAIDER)Then you’re right i’m not going to make 80+… Read more »

khaloood

well OPTIMUS you right . i can’t wait until Yogosan reply

OPTIMUS

GREAT YOGOSAN! I can only agree with you! And thanks for “saving me and Khaloood from the explosion”… 😛 I was just about to reply too! You know, madthemez… the themers like us can recognize the REAL work behind a theme. We always vote for the best when a theme is very worthy and this one (as well as the other Yogosan’s works) has been voted several times with 5 stars: not because Yogosan, Khaloood and I have formed a coalition, but because we appreciate the PASSION used to create a theme. Do you think it’s easy to spend hours… Read more »

khaloood

Mr 2 Stars

khaloood

2 Stars HAHA this is the worst theme ever xD
sorry Yogosan HAHA

khaloood

chill out Yogosan don’t blame me maybe next time you’ll get better luck and Yogosan your’re leaving the site Goodbye

yogosan

literally, im done, gluck!

yogosan

i’m totally fuckin hammered, i’v been drinking 4 12 hours straight, PS i honestly dont give a heineken about the rating i get, if i was goin by the ratings, i woudnt b making themes. i know who, and why i keep getting 2 star ratings for ALL my themes, lol, u gotta feel sorry for him, because i represent what theming is about on this site, and if the mods arn’t fucking retarded enough, (i’m sorry but it’s true) to not fuck montage over AGAIN, then ye can all go fuck yourselves, except opt khal and madthemez, i will… Read more »

khaloood

yeah Heavy Rain its a perfect game its worth it i know something about Yogosan he doesn’t care about this chat room OPTIMUS i’m Busy so see you next week cuz i’m gonna be off

OPTIMUS

Well, a friend of mine solved the 4 DAYS QUIZ on the game site and he was able to download the demo about one week before the official date: when he told me, I didn’t believe… O_O
So, what do you think? Good game, isn’t it?
Speaking of new games, I saw some images of a game that looks promising: it is called Spec Ops The Line and is set… try to guess where? In Dubai!

Yogosaaaaaaaaan? Where are you??? Maybe he is repairing the computer…

khaloood

Yogosan R.I.P
he didn’t say anything yet

khaloood

lol OPTIMUS how do you know that ?
did you play it ?